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This is one of the more interesting urban fantasy stories I have read. I know I am spoiled by good writing like the inimitable China Melville and J.K. Rowling; good writing and worldbuilding speaks for itself. I am not sure I will be able to be as serious here as on worm but I will give it the old collage try. Attwell Family

Steal material form here Now where did put it Implements and demesnes<ref>(1) To the best of my recollection he can let the familiar out, so he has implement and familiar that can be independent things, but he has the familiar within the implement generating and managing power most of the time, and that's the job he has his familiar at most of the time.

You can blend as a more permanent thing (not what Laird does). You can have a familiar plus demesnes for a more intelligent demesnes. A familiar plus implement for an object with a personality. An implement plus demesnes for a demesnes you could bring with you. Generally you take a pretty significant hit to power in exchange for some degree of utility. You also lose standing with practitioners and Others. I think I've posted on this before. If you have a talking motorcycle you're giving up 90% of the power of a proper implement and 90% of the power of a proper demesnes, but you're getting an implement that's more weighty and a comfortable seat that isn't limited to one place. And because you're a practitioner that's flouting convention then convention helps you less, so your practice in general isn't going to be all that.

(2) Benefits are you get more clout in the east, more suprises for your enemies since you could have a wider variety in your tricks and what you can bring to bear, though you'd want to maintain a theme or some kind of pattern so you're not too scattered, as it'd be something that would impact your practice. You also get to manage other kinds of forces without being tapped into those same forces, which affords more protection. You do have far less in the way of camaraderie and link to your pets, and your pets can be turned against you if freed. If you employed it in the West, it'd impact your standing with practitioners and Others and it'd be less likely to work - especially as Others may end up being less willing to play ball if captured and told "You guard this place until I say otherwise".

(3) It's stronger when bucking patterns and conventions, but it's less that being random is going to give you power, and more that being deft and surprising your target is going to give you power. You're bucking convention and pattern not by being carefree, but by adopting a new, secret set of patterns and convention, that others don't know as well and can't guard against as easily. - stuff to add</ref> Make another category for natural others to differentiate things a bit

Remember to collect the Pact WoG Vestige suff

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This looks like a job for the High Priestess of Cloacina

Ogre Practioner

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 [https://redd.it/8snyme Steal material form here]
+<!--It kind of always bothered me a ton that in whatever series where you go back in time or when magic was available, the protagonists are like, "Oh yeah, D-day? That was us."
+So if I were to lean in any direction in terms of giving official word, it would be that the world wars were affairs of men. Great efforts were spent to keep it that way- both from Others that secretly hoped it was the start of the end for mankind and the forces working in the background to keep Others and practitioners from trying to sway events. Were there practitioners and Others? Of course. but not in the midst of things, and they largely canceled each other out.
+World leaders in general don't buy into practice- for those who would or wouldn't, look to those who openly admit to believing in magic. In most cases, practitioners will try to form hidden departments and factions where they can influence and advise, mainly in the selfish interests of protecting national powers and practices. Making powers and Others a big deal has a way of, wait for it, making Others a big deal- its' risky to bring them into the forefront of public knowledge or the upper ends of politics, commerce, science, faiths, or wars. What ends up happening is something will ride the chain of successes and find its way to a place near the top of the hierarchy. Do people try? Of course. But it's a crab-bucket style trying and it's never simple.
+Keep in mind, and this is pretty big, that practitioners aren't necessarily aligned with the nation. If you have an American practitioner family but the family has deep-set roots going over to eastern Europe, it's very possible that they could be aligned with the Axis rather than the Allies. This very much complicates efforts to just say, "Let's get all our practitioners together and go stop the bad guys!"
+Going off of incarnations, could a country be a incarnation? Would these incarnations engage in battle to save their own hide, or were they powerless to do anything?
+A country could not be an incarnation, as an incarnation is generally an idea. Death, war, famine, faith, conquest, dream, desire, destruction, etc.
+A country does have a spirit, however. Powerful city mages & nomads sometimes commune with these spirits. These spirits don't tend to go to war any more than a city will uproot itself and fight. It will negotiate, bargain, threaten more nebulous consequences, and do so in reflection of the spirit of the people. It can be swayed and it can be broken or occupied by foreign sentiments.
+Eyes
+Spirits like the Eye from the Toronto Fire are common-ish in wartime. They generally reflect lingering trauma and sentiment.
+With so many countries itching for war, how would this have been reflected onto others and incarnations like Conquest? Would they be absurdly powerful, or would they be going insane with all the international politics version of sexual tension?
+I'm a little sketched out by the use of 'sexual tension' there. In general, there would be massive redistributions and shifts in power. Practitioner communities would be very much concerned with trying to manage and deal with these shifts in power.
+Just how many Others were swarming in the trenches? I can assume there were tons of demons, imps, ghouls, boogeymen and goblins in them due to the sheer amount of awfulness, rottenness and corpses present, but just how severe was the issue? Were they in such abundance that practitioners being a Scourge, Goblin King or - dare I say - Diabolist profited off of it, or was there little to no real difference that the practitioner "meta" would change.
+Violent and gross others likely thrived in the background in wartime. I see in this bullet point and in others that you keep going to demons and imps and including them in the same sentences as other practices. Don't do that. They are wholly, completely different and they have wholly different implications.
+With technology becoming more and more pivotal in warfare, did we begin to see the true birth of technomancy as a respected practice?
+Technomancy always existed, it's just tended to perch on the cusp of new technology, with waves and reinventions of families sort of capitalizing on each new age or forward advancement.
+The astrologer would've been a 'last generation' practitioner. The practitioners of today will be 'last generation' in a couple dozen years. Some families are better than others at riding the wave.
+The technomancers of the WWI/WWII era would be more industrial than computer. They wouldn't likely capitalize on 'computers' becoming a thing until computers entered the public awareness.
+Could trenches be claimed as demesnes, and did Practitioners use that to their advantage to ensure that that side of the trench was truly taken?
+Not how a demesnes works. It's a place you own and it's a place you commit yourself to for a lifetime, in spirit and in lifestyle. Trenches are temporary, they're won or lost. You'd gain next to nothing and you'd likely lose your Self when the trench was taken.
+The Geneva Convention and the treaty of Versailles. How did this affect the practicing world?
+Big deals might well have gone hand in hand with practitioners striking deals on what was allowed and not allowed, ratifying them and enforcing them across practitioners as a whole, insofar as that's possible.
+Was Hitler's rise to power endorsed by Other's or Practitioners? If yes, was he aware of that fact?
+Some probably liked the idea, but that's sorta beside the point. He was a petty, stupid man who drew on a lot of very disparate pieces of knowledge to kludge together an ideology, which he put a lot of money and influence into then selling. So you had elements of Norse mythology, Christianity, some dabbling in the occult, and rather than have this be an underpinning of things, it would generally be a bunch of individual elements trying to influence him from the corners, while not giving him anything substantial.
+Assuming that Scourges, Diabolists, Practitioners specializing in Ghouls and Goblin Kings exploited the shit out of Trenches, then how could Germany have defeated such a large grouping of some of the meanest, most diabolical (no pun intended) practitioners the world had ever seen?
+Don't do that! Stop. No. That isn't Pact. Not how trenches were a thing or approached, either. No. Demons aren't included in the same sentences and groupings as other Others.
+Unfortunately, Eastern Practitioners don't tend to follow the same trends western practitioners do. How did the practitioners fighting for America circumvent this issue?
+By not really going to war in that respect. Individually, yeah, some practitioners had sons (or daughters) go to battlefields to try to do something when the whole world was at stake. Some families acted on their own, sure, but most of their time practitioners fought among each other and disagreed over the best ways to handle the subject.
+Was there a magic version of Project Manhattan?
+If there was anything big attempted, it was probably combated by other practitioners and Others.
+The way I would approach it-
+The war is a backdrop. The battlefield is too volatile and doesn't lend itself to practice, and if practitioners help, it's either in negating the negative influences (Others in the trenches, the big efforts of opposing practitioners) or it's negated by the same.
+In reality, the true battle is one of ideology, allegiance, and secrecy. Practitioners are clandestine and they don't work that well together at the best of times, being ready to stab each other in the back, or having long-standing oaths or agreements that complicate their intervention. It's a fight to even reach the point where humanity can handle this on its own and expectations are low - your focus isn't on winning the war, it's on taking what feels like it might be an inevitable loss and keeping the real monsters out there from making it worse, exposing practitioners and/or opening the floodgates for horrible things to unfold.
+It's a fight for ideology, against a backdrop where tens of millions of lives are being lost. The various factions disagree on how this should be handled, can in no way even trust other American practitioners or Canadian practitioners, and these are the waters that must be navigated. If you tell the President that practice exists and hand him the keys to practice... maybe the augurs read the bird guts and they figure out that if this happens, the other side will do much the same, only they have a diabolist hidden among their secret societies and groups.
+https://redd.it/8upije-->
 Now where did [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ti2MftECN9PloDlHdjTGlMbwXPxf0GGOyNl-c4OYKCs/edit|I put it]
 Implements and demesnes<ref>(1) To the best of my recollection he can let the familiar out, so he has implement and familiar that can be independent things, but he has the familiar within the implement generating and managing power most of the time, and that's the job he has his familiar at most of the time.<br><br>